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Question: is the iMac Pro faster or slower than the 2017 iMac 5K?
I cannot test an iMac Pro until one can be obtained—which looks like January at the earliest—see the two models I recommend below.
At this point in time, it is unclear if an iMac Pro will be faster or slower than the 2017 iMac 5K I am currently using.
- Ordered a 2017 iMac 5K: Why Now and what about iMac Pro?
- 4-Core CPUs do not Leave Much Grunt for Other Tasks
- Will the iMac Pro Be Worth The Cost?.
- Switched to 2017 iMac 5K as Primary Machine: Details on Gear I’m Using
Below, two solid choices for photographers for the Apple iMac Pro. Neither can be had before mid January. My perspective (see above posts for more details):
- Memory of 32GB is inappropriate and inadequate in the iMac Pro; 128GB is overkill for most everyone including me—64GB is just right.
- Internal SSD of 1TB is inappropriate and inadequate; 4TB is overkill for most users and me too, 2TB is just right.
- 8 core or 10 core CPU are the sweet spot; few programs can use 4 cores fully, let alone 8 or 10, let alone efficiently (scalability and overhead). The 10 core is to be preferred because it has 2 more cores and its turbo boost goes to 4.5 GHz (versus 4.2 GHz for the 8 core). There might be an argument for 14 or 18 cores in very specialized cases.
- 16GB GPU memory is totally unnecessary, so 8GB is fine.
The 14-core configuration offers turbo boost to 4.3 GHz, and it is an interesting option possibly for programs like Zerene Stacker. Still, its base clock speed with all cores in use is only 2.5 GHz, so that’s like an 8-core 4.2 GHz machine only guaranteed slower: overhead increases non-linearly as more cores are used and memory and I/O contention worsens. So in my view the 8 or 10 core are most likely the best bet. Benefits beyond that are not going to be great.
Note: prices shown are discounted by virtue of belonging to ASMP.
Richard J writes writes:
I think this computer is geared towards video editing rather then photography. Do people really need to spend thousands more dollars to a get a an extra second (or less) on an task? But for video its pretty tough to work with stuttering video, all though most of the iMacs will do fine with 4k video this is probably aimed at an 8k work flow. But when you have 12 hour render times that could maybe be halved, then this would possibly be worth it.
It sure is a lot of money for an non-upgradable and difficult and time consuming machine to repair, is that really what a Pro wants? If the sales are bad will Apple just put it down to the fact that there is no longer a pro market out there.
My question though is how can we find out if the software we use will take advantage of all 8, 10, 18 cores, is there a list, does the software use all the cores for all the tasks?
DIGLLOYD: in my very first post about the iMac Pro back in June I explained it this way:
With 10 or 18 core options (8 cores by default), bragging points can be had in exchange for money. And that’s about all you’ll get for many uses: for most users, 8 CPU cores is ample, with 18 CPU cores of little use except for video users. Photoshop and Lightroom do not use even 8 CPU cores more than fractionally, so still-photo users need not concern themselves with more than 8 cores unless Adobe gets on the ball and uses cores much more efficiently between now and January 2018.
Getting an “extra second or less on a task” can matter for interactive use quite a lot. But that’s an argument for the 2017 iMac 5K, since all its cores run no slower than 4.2 GHz and it turbo boosts to 4.5 GHz, and usually interactive tasks use a single CPU core and rarely more than two. Thus with tasks where response to user input must be fast to be effective (drawing, using tools and similar), a fraction of a second delay can mean the difference between frustration and efficiency. The GPU might come into play also, and Apple claims 3X faster with the GPU, though I remain skeptical that this will help with interactive tasks.
As for core usage, there is no good predictor; this is a function of software coding in the application (severe limitations in many areas of Photoshop), contention for memory and cache memory, and especially where disk I/O is involved: since disk I/O can be very slow, it is critical that in such cases the data in question be on a very fast SSD.
My existing tests with different core-count Macs should correlate tightly to what result are likely to be like with the iMac Pro, exceptions being where software has improved:
To keep those CPU cores busy, it is critical to (a) not run low on memory, and (b) put data requiring fast access on the fastest possible SSD, such as the internal SSD or something like the OWC Envoy Pro EX. See Switched to 2017 iMac 5K as Primary Machine: Details on Gear I’m Using.
$1699 SAVE $100 = 5.0% OWC 2TB OWC Envoy Pro EX (VE) Extreme-Performance Portable Solid… in Storage: SSD
$3100 SAVE $300 = 8.0% OWC 48.0TB OWC ThunderBay 4, four-drive HDD with dual Thunderbol… in Storage: ThunderBay
$500 SAVE $28 = 5.0% Seagate 12.0TB Enterprise Capacity 3.5-inch HDD (Helium) in Storage: Other
$68 SAVE $31 = 31.0% OWC Mercury Elite Pro USB 3 with USB+1 Enclosure Kit in Storage: Enclosures
$680 SAVE $40 = 5.0% OWC 64.0GB (4x 16GB) 2400MHz DDR4 SO-DIMM PC4-19200 260 Pin CL17… in All Other Categories
My own usage
I have different competing cases, not unlike what many photographers do:
- Creating image aperture series and all the image sizes that I publish can take anywhere from a minute to 10 minutes, depending on how many images/layers. This is mostly single threaded (one CPU core) because it has to be scripted and that serializes everything (no parallelism). However, for specific operations within that scripted task, the faster video card and similar turbo boost in the iMac Pro should mean similar run times for this case, and maybe slightly better, though this is not very likely.
- Programs like Helicon Focus and Zerene Stacker use all CPU cores, and I am doing a lot of focus stacking.
- PhaseOne CaptureOne Pro is very good at using all CPU cores. Whether it scales up to 10 or 14 or 18, I don’t yet know. Adobe Lightroom is getting better at using all CPU cores for import operations. Certain pros have turnaround time demands that thus may make an 8 core or 10 core iMac Pro worthwhile—but whether more cores help all depends on the specific workflow.
- 2 CPU cores can be chewed up by doing several clones at once. Anyone letting any kind of significant background job run will like having more than 4 cores. Consider for example an Import or Export in Lightroom while simultaneously editing an image in Lightroom or Photoshop, or continuing to shoot tethered.
I also have an interest in ensuring that my diglloydTools IntegrityChecker can use 18 cores efficiently; I coded it to do so but usually disk I/O is the issue—I need 4 to 5 gigabytes per second to be sure and I have not had that speed available to test with.